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  First DA Over UN/WT Issue!

  by messenger in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was sent this email from a close personal friend who has served as an elder for several years.

  it is a copy of excerpts of his disassociation letter sent to his local congregation and the society on tuesday of this week.

  perhaps this is the first da over the un/wt relationship.

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  Trevor Scott

  Messenger: Great news! Thanks for posting this!

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  Fallout Over The WT-UN Contraversey

  by Ranchette in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  yes, fallout has already begun (literally)over the wt-un contraversey!.

  a long time jw friend of ours told my husband today that he has already disassociated himself from the organization after seeing the proof of wt's immoral affair with the beast.. this was the last straw for him.. i wonder how many others this info is going to effect this way?.

  we will see.. ranchette

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  Trevor Scott

  Hawk:

  Hi. Yeah, great point about the phone number. I wrote this letter (and sent it) a few weeks ago so I included a number I pulled of the UN-DPI website. Correct me if I am wrong, but this is the number you have used:

  Ms. Isold Oca
  Information Officier
  NGO Section
  Department of Public Information
  United Nations New York, N.Y. 10017
  Telephone 212-963-1859

  I will use this information in future letters.

  By the way, I'm in the Greater Vancouver area, out here in "beautiful" BC.

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  Fallout Over The WT-UN Contraversey

  by Ranchette in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  yes, fallout has already begun (literally)over the wt-un contraversey!.

  a long time jw friend of ours told my husband today that he has already disassociated himself from the organization after seeing the proof of wt's immoral affair with the beast.. this was the last straw for him.. i wonder how many others this info is going to effect this way?.

  we will see.. ranchette

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  bluesapphire, Dino:

  Definitely, feel free to use the letter. Anyone who wants to is welcome to.

  Hope it helps.

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  UNITED NATIONS , NGO's and WTBS

  by MacHislopp in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  following the link given by kent,.

  i have several observation to make:.

  (from the link : http://www.un.org/moreinfo/ngolink/brochure.htm).

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  msil:

  I have no doubt you are right. But in the meantime, I hope to reach one or two souls.

  My opinion, the WTS will "win" no matter what. If they are not kicked out of the UN-DPI, they will still "win", only it will be in the form of "new light" to the effect that the UN is not the beast/disgusting thing after all! Either way, we only have a short window of time. Let's move on this one while the gun is still smoking!

  MA:

  You're correct, and I agree it's a point worth repeating. The WTS is not a "member" of the UN. Rather they have an official association with the UN (an association which they applied for!). It probably is semantics, but as you say, it's something a dub could harp on if we get it mixed up.

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  Fallout Over The WT-UN Contraversey

  by Ranchette in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  yes, fallout has already begun (literally)over the wt-un contraversey!.

  a long time jw friend of ours told my husband today that he has already disassociated himself from the organization after seeing the proof of wt's immoral affair with the beast.. this was the last straw for him.. i wonder how many others this info is going to effect this way?.

  we will see.. ranchette

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  Trevor Scott

  J.C.M., Ven and others:

  No worries - please feel free to copy the letter, in whole or in part. I hope it helps.

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  UNITED NATIONS , NGO's and WTBS

  by MacHislopp in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  following the link given by kent,.

  i have several observation to make:.

  (from the link : http://www.un.org/moreinfo/ngolink/brochure.htm).

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  msil:

  I agree with you on this, but I don't think there's much to be done at this point. DPI has already been alerted to the issue.

  Please continue to do your best to publicize this issue despite this fact. I will be.

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  Fallout Over The WT-UN Contraversey

  by Ranchette in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  yes, fallout has already begun (literally)over the wt-un contraversey!.

  a long time jw friend of ours told my husband today that he has already disassociated himself from the organization after seeing the proof of wt's immoral affair with the beast.. this was the last straw for him.. i wonder how many others this info is going to effect this way?.

  we will see.. ranchette

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  Trevor Scott

  Hi Randy. Just emailed you...

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  Fallout Over The WT-UN Contraversey

  by Ranchette in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  yes, fallout has already begun (literally)over the wt-un contraversey!.

  a long time jw friend of ours told my husband today that he has already disassociated himself from the organization after seeing the proof of wt's immoral affair with the beast.. this was the last straw for him.. i wonder how many others this info is going to effect this way?.

  we will see.. ranchette

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  Trevor Scott

  Ranchette,

  Here's a copy of a letter I sent to some jw family and friends on this matter a few weeks back. Basically I tried to present the whole issue of NGOs supporting the UN before I dropped the WTS bomb.

  (By the way, I really did read a book on the UN earlier this year :-)

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  August 30, 2001

  Dear XXXXXXX,

  How are you? Well, I hope.

  I recently read a fascinating book about the United Nations, and I wanted to share some of what I read with you. One of the things this book discussed was the pervasive propaganda machine that the UN has created. For example, did you know that the United Nations has created a K-12 curriculum that is being implemented in the United States, and around the world? This allows the UN to instil their ideals in school-aged children all over the world.

  Another component of this propaganda campaign is the enlisting of non-governmental organizations (shortly, NGOs) by the United Nations for the purpose of disseminating UN propaganda to an even wider audience.

  Through the support of these NGOs (of which there are thousands), imagine the breadth of the propaganda campaign the UN can employ!

  I was so amazed by this that I spent some time doing additional research on the subject.

  The role of these non-governmental organizations that are associated with the United Nations is defined in UN resolution 1296 (XLIV) of May 23, 1968, which states that an NGO “…shall undertake to support the work of the United Nations and to promote knowledge of its principles and activities.”

  Additional requirements and responsibilities for these NGOs are defined in official UN documents. According to these documents, a non-governmental organization that is associated with the UN must:

  “Share the ideals of the UN Charter.”

  “Disseminate information about the UN to their membership, thereby building knowledge of and support for the organization at the grassroots level. This dissemination includes: publicizing UN activities around the world on such issues as peace and security, economic and social development, human rights, humanitarian affairs and international law; promoting UN observances and international years established by the General Assembly to focus world attention on important issues facing humanity.”

  “Operate solely on a not-for-profit basis.”

  “Have a demonstrated interest in United Nations issues and proven ability to reach large or specialized audiences…”

  “Have the commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes about UN activities by publishing newsletters, bulletins, and pamphlets…”

  Here are a couple more of the responsibilities of an NGO associated with the UN:

  “…disseminating information and mobilizing public opinion in support of the UN and its Specialized Agencies.”

  “Associated NGOs are expected to devote a portion of their information programmes to promoting knowledge of the United Nations' principles and activities.”

  In short, these NGOs essentially work for the UN – at least part of the time. Part of their time and resources is spent disseminating UN propaganda to their membership.

  All of this information is verifiable on-line, at the official United Nations website ( http://www.un.org). You could also obtain this information from the UN in written form. I will include their address at the bottom of this letter.

  Probably you’re wondering why I am writing to you on this matter. Well, you know as well as I do that the Watchtower Society has long decried the United Nations as nothing less that the “scarlet-colored wild beast” of Revelation, and the “disgusting thing that causes desolation” of Daniel. For years, the Society has pointed its finger at religious organizations for having visible ties to the United Nations:

  “The UN, then, is actually a revival of the scarlet-colored wild beast.” (Revelation – Its Grand Climax At Hand, pg. 248)

  “Details supplied in the prophecy help us to identify this symbolic beast as a peace organization that came into existence in 1919 as the League of Nations (a ‘disgusting thing’) and that is now the United Nations.” (The Watchtower, May 1 1999, pg. 17)

  “In the major fulfillment of the sign, the disgusting thing is the League of Nations and its successor, the United Nations.” (The Watchtower, March 15 1990, pg. 8)

  “From its inception, this body has also had the great harlot riding on its back, visibly associated with it and trying to guide its destiny. For example, on its 20th anniversary, in June 1965, representatives of the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church, together with Protestants, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and Muslims—said to represent two thousand million of earth’s population—assembled in San Francisco to celebrate their support and admiration of the UN.” (Revelation – Its Grand Climax At Hand, pg. 243)

  The Watchtower Society is correct when it says “representatives of the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church, together with Protestants, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and Muslims” have all established visible ties to the UN, for each of these religions have representative groups who are registered with the United Nations as non-governmental organizations. (A list of non-governmental organizations registered with the United Nations can be found at the United Nations official website, here: http://www.un.org/MoreInfo/ngolink/ngodir/NGODirAlph/alphabet.htm).

  What the Watchtower Society does not mention is that they, too, have established ‘visible ties’ to the United Nations. The Watchtower Society, along with Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, and Muslim groups, is now an officially registered non-governmental organization in association with the United Nations, committed to “support the work of the United Nations”; committed to “mobilizing public opinion in support of the UN”; committed to “devote a portion of their information programmes to promoting knowledge of the United Nations' principles and activities.”

  You can easily verify everything I have said here. I have quoted from an official United Nations document, which can be obtained from the United Nations’ website, here: http://www.un.org/MoreInfo/ngolink/brochure.htm. You can also contact the United Nations in written form to obtain the same information.

  If you still doubt that the Watchtower Society has climbed atop the scarlet-colored wild beast, why not search for evidence of what I am saying in Watchtower publications? If what I am saying is true, and the Watchtower Society has made a commitment to support the UN, to devote a portion of its information programme to promoting the UN’s agenda, to advertise UN observances and international years, etc., then we should be able to find examples of this in Watchtower journals. Allow me to suggest a starting point for such a search:

  · Awake! November 22, 1998, pg. 3-7
  · Awake! July 22, 1999, pg. 3
  · Awake! July 22, 1999, pg. 31
  · Awake! May 8, 1999, pg. 31
  · Awake! September 22, 1999, pg. 5-7
  · Awake! January 8, 1999, pg. 13
  · Awake! January 8, 1999, pg. 31
  · Awake! June 22, 1999, pg. 15

  It is for deceit and hypocrisy just such as this that we left the Watchtower Society. Believe me when I say we have uncovered precisely this type of underhanded behaviour by the Society numerous times now. Obviously there is some tangible benefit to associating with the United Nations; therefore even though the Society has claimed for years that the UN is the beast of Revelation, and the enemy of God, they quietly enter into a relationship with it. They condemn other religions for it, and then they do it themselves.

  As far as I am aware, there has been no change in doctrine regarding the identity of the scarlet-colored wild beast. But given this relationship between the Watchtower Society and the United Nations, perhaps we will soon see some “new light” on this matter.

  Once again, I urge you to follow up on this. Research this matter for yourself, so that you may be convinced of the truth of the matter.

  I am enclosing a copy of a letter I will be sending to the Watchtower Society on this matter.

  Sincerely,

  Trevor Scott.

  United Nations, Department of Public Information address:

  Chief, NGO Section
  Department of Public Information
  Room S-1070L
  United Nations, New York, N.Y. 10017
  tel: (212) 963-6842
  fax: (212) 963-6914/2819
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  Fallout Over The WT-UN Contraversey

  by Ranchette in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  yes, fallout has already begun (literally)over the wt-un contraversey!.

  a long time jw friend of ours told my husband today that he has already disassociated himself from the organization after seeing the proof of wt's immoral affair with the beast.. this was the last straw for him.. i wonder how many others this info is going to effect this way?.

  we will see.. ranchette

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  Trevor Scott

  Quandary: Good luck! We are all pulling for you.

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  UNITED NATIONS , NGO's and WTBS

  by MacHislopp in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  following the link given by kent,.

  i have several observation to make:.

  (from the link : http://www.un.org/moreinfo/ngolink/brochure.htm).

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  Hawk: A big "thank-you" for all the leg work on this one. A job well done.

  At this point, I think we may as well just go for it with the UN-DPI. Obviously they are alerted now, and concerned enough to hold a meeting to review the matter anyway. We may as well give them as much ammo as we can.

  But even more so, I agree with sf and others when they talk about advertising this issue. This is a smoking gun, and personally I think it is worth trying to get this information in front of jw family and friends. I wrote several letters to dubs when this news first broke a few weeks back, as did my wife.

  Also, I hope Randy and Kent make some room on the front page for this one!!

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  waiting for the "new light" on the identity of the scarlet beast...